May 24, 2017, 16:38
![[Image: hanginroses3SM.jpg]](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l9heJZfoXeE/WSYD8xmsZoI/AAAAAAAALnM/zvPpvKstFhUPFh3AgOMrxeFpfCeFKhyhwCLcB/s1600/hanginroses3SM.jpg) . ![[Image: hanginroseSM.jpg]](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cNxpuuDRrbw/WSSNJx24QNI/AAAAAAAALm0/owep4QNkPsQmyK816t30Y63HP2xYFz6CwCLcB/s1600/hanginroseSM.jpg) . ![[Image: hanginrosesSM.jpg]](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vRZRpCNHg9I/WSSNJ0oCe1I/AAAAAAAALm8/G2dfwxO9YCIdJ4Lz1x8tVAVJMsLuA0pYQCLcB/s1600/hanginrosesSM.jpg)
Nikon D3100 with Tokina 28-70mm f3.5, (I like to use a Vivitar .43x aux on the 28-70mm Tokina), Nikkor 10.5 mm fisheye, Quanteray 70-300mm f4.5, ProOptic 500 mm f6.3 mirror lens. http://donschaefferphoto.blogspot.com/ 
May 25, 2017, 03:07
I'll have to come back to these a couple of times before I make up my mind, Don. Is it photography or is it illustration?
GrahamS Take my advice. I'm not using it. 
May 25, 2017, 07:09
Graham--what is your criterion?
Nikon D3100 with Tokina 28-70mm f3.5, (I like to use a Vivitar .43x aux on the 28-70mm Tokina), Nikkor 10.5 mm fisheye, Quanteray 70-300mm f4.5, ProOptic 500 mm f6.3 mirror lens. http://donschaefferphoto.blogspot.com/
May 25, 2017, 07:27
Photography is an image originating in a camera. Illustration is something that could be a painting, drawing, etching, carving......
GrahamS Take my advice. I'm not using it.
May 26, 2017, 03:52
Graham:
If I were a lawyer, I would argue that these images definitely originated in a camera. That's like saying that a dream originates in the eye. People perceive, they don't just sense. Nikon D3100 with Tokina 28-70mm f3.5, (I like to use a Vivitar .43x aux on the 28-70mm Tokina), Nikkor 10.5 mm fisheye, Quanteray 70-300mm f4.5, ProOptic 500 mm f6.3 mirror lens. http://donschaefferphoto.blogspot.com/
May 26, 2017, 05:35
Thankfully you're not a lawyer and life's too short to argue. Each to his own, but they would make nice murals.
GrahamS Take my advice. I'm not using it.
May 26, 2017, 07:03
:-) True
Nikon D3100 with Tokina 28-70mm f3.5, (I like to use a Vivitar .43x aux on the 28-70mm Tokina), Nikkor 10.5 mm fisheye, Quanteray 70-300mm f4.5, ProOptic 500 mm f6.3 mirror lens. http://donschaefferphoto.blogspot.com/
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